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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:31 pm    Post subject: e65 September update on VSB Reply with quote

a new e65 update is available on VSB
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: e65 September update on VSB Reply with quote

martin_argentina wrote:
a new e65 update is available on VSB



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Holly



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:08 am    Post subject: e65 September update on VSB Reply with quote

Do you still think the funding will happen martin-argentina? I put in a change of address months ago and my address has not been updated in my profile. Members in this program sure would believe in this more if there was some customer support such as a way to ask questions to someone but there's no link on the site to contact anyone. When I filled out my change of address a few months ago I used my original 9 digit member ID number which I received back in 2000, which I also used when sending money overseas to Mike back when he was issuing policies. However that number is different than my ID number in my profile which is only my drivers license number. Do you know which number I should have used on the recent change address form? Thanks.
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belle



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Holly,

The ID on my VSB Profile is my Drivers' License - this is what we had to put in at the time, so would be the same for everyone. I would have used my original nine digit ID that I have had since the beginning to make an address change - same as you did! Personally, I wouldn't worry that your address has not been changed on your Profile - as those records were locked. It will have been updated with the people who are dealing with things now (mailouts, etc.). I can understand your concern though - and yes, there should be somewhere we could ask questions and receive support.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:58 pm    Post subject: e65 September update on VSB Reply with quote

Hi belle,

Thanks for answering my question and I feel better now. It makes total sense that because the records are locked a change would not be recorded on it. It is really strange that Mike says that out of all the letters in the trial run only four came back filled out. After all these years of no pay out, how many members of this program believe enough in this program to go to the Virtual Safebox website after it was down for a few years to read updates? Nobody in my down line has. If a member dosn't go to the website to change their address from 2011 when the site went down and if they moved since then, obviously the trial letters the attorney's sent out would not get to them. And yet Mike is not emailing members directly with updates so they can be notified of things like change of address. Most members on this forum thinks it's all a scam, and rightly so. Why then would Mike bother with all these updates though? I am curious what your feelings are about the program belle.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:50 am    Post subject: e65 September update on VSB Reply with quote

Hi Holly, glad my Post helped! I too, have been trying to work out why only 4 letters were returned. I agree with you that they were probably sent to Members who have been out of touch with the program for a long time and have changed addresses and Email addresses - and so therefore never received the letters - which ultimately would have ended up in the bin! Surely Mike and those responsible for the mail-out, etc. would also come to this conclusion. So, where does that leave the rest of us - still waiting... I am also curious as to the content of the letter that we have to post back.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject: e65 September update on VSB Reply with quote

Hi belle,
Sorry, I don't think I was clear in my last message. What I meant to say was that many members no longer believe in this program so there is no reason for Mike to assume every member will go to the website occasionally to look for any updates. Mike used to send us emails and it should be easy for him to send an email to each member stating that there is a program update and everyone should go to the site, sign in and read it. If he had done this maybe more members would have received the letters from the attorney's because they might have changed their address when that option was available. The way it was and still is is that someone would have to be interested enough to go to the site to see if there were any updates which is the only way I knew there was a change of address form. A simple email to members from Mike would solve this issue.

I don't know what's in the letter but my guess is that it would be a signature form for us to sign and return along with a picture ID to the attorney's office and then they would be authorized to release the funds to the debit card that we receive with the signature form. However, as you know, that's depending on whether or not there is an attorney's office, a package coming in the mail, and whether or not there are any funds at all for us. Bogor told a forum member here last spring that when this Christmas comes around there will still be no sign of us being funded, and he may be right. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.
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belle



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:46 am    Post subject: e65 September update on VSB Reply with quote

Hi Holly,
Yes, I did know what you meant about the Emails (or rather, lack of). The only way to read any updates is to log-in to the site, which possibly most members would have given up doing years ago. So many Email addresses would have changed over the years - probably many times, so who knows how many Members would even have received Emails, even if they were to be sent out. Does that make sense? I check the VSB site and this Forum regularly - but I doubt that there are many of us left that still do. Yes, and Christmas is not far away, so can't argue with Jorgen on that one!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: just a few questions to Belle and Holly Reply with quote

As you may know, I was living with Mike for some time back in 2003 /04 and saw what happen to the original papers, not to mention saw how money was spend, and finally I was sitting just beside Mike when he changed the storry dramaticly regards the benefactor, a change from a rich american to the late dictator Soharto of Indonesia. Im also the one who went to the cyber crime police in Jakarta with Martin, where it was very very clear that it is a scam, and that there is no way to come after Mike, except a private lawsuit.

What amaze me is that now and after 18 years have passed a few starts to ask questions. Now how about questions like;

Did Mike send any letters out? Instead of asume that Mike did send out a letter, and wonder what is the context of the letter.

Have anyone ever asked them self about the so-called updates? What solid data does the updates have? If you ask me, then there havent been a single solid provable data in any of the updates, not even the ones including information on what Mike will do to me, and how many men he will send, to the famous pillow fight.

Why dont members not call their bank, their insurance company and tell them about Mikes setup, and then post the reply here? Answer to that question is that no one wants to be laughed at, and that will happen, just as the police in Indonesia and SIngapore laughed at me and Martin. Was it fun? No it was not, but we know for sure that there wont come a single dime our way.

Why does Mike continue this scam? First of all there is no team, never was, the team is Mike, Jeff and Hanzel, and Hanzel is long gone years ago. (after the silver wet dream went south). Today there is Jeff and Mike, and no one else. It cost less than a 100 us dollar pr year to have the website up and run. But the most important reason to keep this going is to keep the door open to collect more cash, and second Mike is perfect, no one can do anything better than Mike, no one drives better car than Mike, no one knows IT better than Mike, no one cooks better than Mike, no one knows wine better than Mike and so on. Mike cant redraw.

If any wish that E65 was for real, then its me, as I know a few who have lost more than most can comprehend, unfortunally I cant say that a pay out will occur, coz it wont. Mike is in his midt 60ties and if he gets 90, then all will know in 25 years from now.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:23 pm    Post subject: just a few questions to Belle and Holly Reply with quote

Hi Jorgen, yes, I do appreciate what you are saying. I don't think anyone is assuming anything (regarding lettters going out, the validity of updates, etc.) - just trying to analyze the situation from from all angles - and this is the only place we have to express any thoughts and questions we may have - which is appreciated. It's not that people have not been asking questions - just that we haven't put it into writing on this Forum - nor had anyone to discuss the situation with. You can certainly add me to the list of members who put a lot of money into this program...money that I couldn't afford to lose. I, no doubt like many others, took a calculated risk - and here we are today...It is a very frustrating and lonely place to be - if that makes sense...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: just a few questions to Belle and Holly Reply with quote

belle wrote:
Hi Jorgen, yes, I do appreciate what you are saying. I don't think anyone is assuming anything (regarding lettters going out, the validity of updates, etc.) - just trying to analyze the situation from from all angles - and this is the only place we have to express any thoughts and questions we may have - which is appreciated. It's not that people have not been asking questions - just that we haven't put it into writing on this Forum - nor had anyone to discuss the situation with. You can certainly add me to the list of members who put a lot of money into this program...money that I couldn't afford to lose. I, no doubt like many others, took a calculated risk - and here we are today...It is a very frustrating and lonely place to be - if that makes sense...


Hello Belle

I too can empathize with your thoughts and frustrations but looking at it from a glass have full perspective there has been, allegedly letters sent out and four alleged confirmed returns.
This to me indicates that if the alleged process has had success albeit minor, I for one would say that it is time to stop farting about and get the rest of the letters out and see what transpires.
I can also understand the delicacy of the alleged final process but we are not going to see the end until it all starts. So as they say " Lets run it up the flag pole and see who salutes"
Just a thought
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is many of us forget Mikes statements in past updates
He also stated that those that had given him money over the last year would be first and in those first 50 mailouts

I would imagine more than 4 gave him money,if any actually did ,so only that many coming back does not add up in my mind


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:47 am    Post subject: members do NOT read the e65 updates Reply with quote

Excellent post by Scandoz.

It seems most members in this forum do NOT read the e65 updates!

Mike stated letters would be mailed giving priority to those e65 membres who donated money to him a few months ago. So it is difficut to believe that those donators were not paying attention or not responding to the letters for test payouts.

No one can verify what Mike says is for real or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: just a few questions to Belle and Holly Reply with quote

JRK wrote:
belle wrote:
Hi Jorgen, yes, I do appreciate what you are saying. I don't think anyone is assuming anything (regarding lettters going out, the validity of updates, etc.) - just trying to analyze the situation from from all angles - and this is the only place we have to express any thoughts and questions we may have - which is appreciated. It's not that people have not been asking questions - just that we haven't put it into writing on this Forum - nor had anyone to discuss the situation with. You can certainly add me to the list of members who put a lot of money into this program...money that I couldn't afford to lose. I, no doubt like many others, took a calculated risk - and here we are today...It is a very frustrating and lonely place to be - if that makes sense...


Hello Belle

I too can empathize with your thoughts and frustrations but looking at it from a glass have full perspective there has been, allegedly letters sent out and four alleged confirmed returns.
This to me indicates that if the alleged process has had success albeit minor, I for one would say that it is time to stop farting about and get the rest of the letters out and see what transpires.
I can also understand the delicacy of the alleged final process but we are not going to see the end until it all starts. So as they say " Lets run it up the flag pole and see who salutes"
Just a thought


Hi JRK, thank you for your response - I appreciate it. I too, look at it from a glass half full perspective - despite how my Post may have come across. I totally agree with your comments - yes, get the rest of the letters out and see what transpires.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: just a few questions to Belle and Holly Reply with quote

martin_argentina and Scandoz, yes this is something which also gives me reason for concern. I do read the Updates and wonder the same thing - why have only four of the members responded?
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