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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reacher wrote:
Belle,

We are asking if you receive a reply after you email them your ID.

We dont want to know about Holly.


So why on earth were you asking me about Holly - ie. where she works, whether for a law firm, etc.?

No, I did not receive a reply after Emailing my ID.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reacher wrote:
Belle,

We are asking if you receive a reply after you email them your ID.

We dont want to know about Holly. No one does. Why would we even ask.


But Reacher, you did ask. Your words: "Holly who? Any last name?

Any lawfirm name where she works for ?"

I was simply answering your question - and for the life of me could not understand why anyone would want to know...


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scandoz and I were asking about if you get any reply after you send in your ID.

Take another look at this forum's name. Its about E65 program.

We would never ask about whether you receive a reply from another member or not, for God's sake!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: e65 September update on VSB Reply with quote

Reacher wrote:
belle wrote:
Holly wrote:
belle and martin_argentina,
You two seem to be the only members on this forum that think there is a small possibility we will be funded. Are you going to take the time and energy to send Mike your photo ID, and copy of utility bill? Do you have a down line and if so are you going to advise them to do it? I am not going to send that money for a courier but do you think it would be worthwhile to at least forward the documentation he needs because this will be needed to send the forms out by mail?


Hi Holly,
I Emailed a copy of my Drivers' License (photo ID) yesterday. The way I read the Update - if we send photo ID, we do not also have to send a copy of a utility bill. I did not send both. None of my downline ever participated further with the the program - other than joining (which I paid for). I am no longer in touch with any of them, so therefore no-one to advise... Holly, you probably haven't checked - but I sent you a Private Message awhile ago...


Did you get any reply ?


Reacher, this is where you got confused. Holly was addressing myself and martin-argentina. I responded (as above) to Holly. It appears that you must have thought that it was a message I sent when Emailing my ID. It was not. I did not send a message, just a copy of my ID. Hope this clears things up...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

belle wrote:
scandoz wrote:
Hi Belle

What sort of a reply

An autoresponder or personal

cheers


Personal reply from Holly.


Hi Scandoz, Reacher's question did not come across as if asking whether I had received a reply form Mike - it appeared that he was asking if I had received a reply from Holly - which seemed a very strange question indeed - but which I responded to regardless (whilst not understaning why on earth he or anyone would ask such a question). As you will by now have read the following Posts, you will have read that no, I did not receive a reply from Mike (or anyone) after Emailing my ID. Hope this clears thing up for you.

Best Regards,

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Belle

No worries,like Reacher I wasnt sure if the reply had come from,them (Mike or whoever)when you sent in your ID details and just wanted to see if that was the case

It seems there are only a handful of us at this forum nowadays and one cannot really see how the supposed tens of thousands of policy holders would ever be able to receive these so called packets and do what needs to be done
eg IDs docs or whatever else would be needed

Again he has stated "I wont be asking for anymore money" ..and here he his again,irrelevant if he states"only if you want to" he is still doing it
Everyone go back and read the updates over the last year

Like you all I wanted this to be real,even now there is always the tiniest light on that it is,hell even Jorgen would have in the beginning but lets face it there are so many many holes in all the updates over the years and if you do the math would seem impossible to pull it off
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:54 am    Post subject: Contradictions by SCAMMER MIKE POULOS Reply with quote

as scandoz says there are many, countless, holes in all E65 Endowment65 updates over the years as well as lack of coherence, contradictions, etc.

Please do NOT send any money to SCAMMER MIKE POULOS!! Unbelievable that the alleged multi-billion corporation behaves this way
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scandoz wrote:
Hi Belle

No worries,like Reacher I wasnt sure if the reply had come from,them (Mike or whoever)when you sent in your ID details and just wanted to see if that was the case

It seems there are only a handful of us at this forum nowadays and one cannot really see how the supposed tens of thousands of policy holders would ever be able to receive these so called packets and do what needs to be done
eg IDs docs or whatever else would be needed

Again he has stated "I wont be asking for anymore money" ..and here he his again,irrelevant if he states"only if you want to" he is still doing it
Everyone go back and read the updates over the last year

Like you all I wanted this to be real,even now there is always the tiniest light on that it is,hell even Jorgen would have in the beginning but lets face it there are so many many holes in all the updates over the years and if you do the math would seem impossible to pull it off


Hi Scandoz, thank you for your response. Just out of interest, when the VSB site first came up, they informed us of how many active Members were left in the Program. I don't know if many Members took note of that. Originally, the aim was to have 100,000 members join. It did reach around 80,000 - but by 2009 was down to 11,252. I wrote down all the details at the time, which includes how many in each country - and still have that piece of paper (in front of me now). Since then, many more would have dropped out / become inactive (or died!) - but a few more apparently came out of the woodwork relatively recently. That still does not amount to a huge number of members - not tens of thousands. I am certainly not saying that this changes anything at all - just letting you know out of a matter of (potential) interest. It also explains why so many Unclaimed Policies came up for grabs.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hej Belle

yes its a good question and one we could only speculate on the answer
I guess there wouldnt be that many members left
Many as you say passed away,have forgotten about it and any number of reasons we could imagine
When you think about it,legally as Jorgen has stated many times,how could it even be done
Can you or I buy another persons life insurance policy.I have no idea but would be doubtful
How is Mike given legal rights to sell those to us
You know even if by some faint chance we did get some sort of a payout I have my doubts whether it would be legal and have concerns about it

Jorgen has been banging his head against this forum for quite some time to make us look at this with open eyes.I guess it is just it ends up in an argument and people end up scattered
As Reacher asked,lets discuss, its time we faced reality with this as every update is just another delay and usually an ask for money in some disguised way
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scandoz wrote:
Hej Belle

yes its a good question and one we could only speculate on the answer
I guess there wouldnt be that many members left
Many as you say passed away,have forgotten about it and any number of reasons we could imagine
When you think about it,legally as Jorgen has stated many times,how could it even be done
Can you or I buy another persons life insurance policy.I have no idea but would be doubtful
How is Mike given legal rights to sell those to us
You know even if by some faint chance we did get some sort of a payout I have my doubts whether it would be legal and have concerns about it

Jorgen has been banging his head against this forum for quite some time to make us look at this with open eyes.I guess it is just it ends up in an argument and people end up scattered
As Reacher asked,lets discuss, its time we faced reality with this as every update is just another delay and usually an ask for money in some disguised way


Hi again Scandoz,

I don't know how many Members remember this, but it was explained to us by Mike in those early days that the initial joining paperwork that we submitted, was not actually to obtain a Life Insurance Policy as such. A Life Insurance Policy is (and was) worth a lot more than US$20,000. We were signing over / forfeiting the actual Life Insurance Policy, in order to receive the US $20,000 payment "upfront", for want of a better way of putting it - well, it was supposed to have happened that way - we just have not received anything, at this point in time, so far into the future!! I possibly have this on one of the old E65 Update printouts from so many years ago - but doubt I could lay my hands on it in any great hurry! So, when Members purchased Unclaimed Policies, they were not actual Life Insurance Policies that were being bought - the ownership of these been signed over at the beginning, when we signed the E65 Insurance Application Request - which, having just had a hunt through my old paperwork - whilst in the midst of my typing and thinking - have found my copy of the documents I personally signed in June, 2001. It clearly states that the Benefit Amount was for $100,00 USD. We were forfeiting this total amount in order to receive $20,000 "upfront", instead. I do remember all of this quite clearly - but am not sure how well I have explained it - but have done the best that I can to do. There must be at least some other Members left (maybe) who can remember this - and may also still have the copies of the forms sent in - but not necessarily anyone on this Forum. On the form, there is a field which reads: "Beneficiary's Name: *Please Leave Blank

OK, my apologies for the long Post, but I am hoping this might jog a memory or two out there, and that this information may be helpful to some - or at the very least - food for thought.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reacher wrote:
Ok, we have members sending their ID.

When are we going to find out what documents they are. NOTE : the documents are ONLY LEGIT if they are proper documents prepared by a reputable lawfirm that you can easily find online, they have a proper website and branch offices in major countries. With phone numbers and contact persons. And if you are successful in making contact with them and go to their office, E65 COULD BE REAL.

If the documents look like something printed from a deskjet home printer and only email address at virtualsafebox.org and no office address , then those documents come from MIKE and his wife. FINAL NAIL TO THE COFFIN THAT E65 IS A SCAM.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

belle wrote:
scandoz wrote:
Hej Belle

yes its a good question and one we could only speculate on the answer
I guess there wouldnt be that many members left
Many as you say passed away,have forgotten about it and any number of reasons we could imagine
When you think about it,legally as Jorgen has stated many times,how could it even be done
Can you or I buy another persons life insurance policy.I have no idea but would be doubtful
How is Mike given legal rights to sell those to us
You know even if by some faint chance we did get some sort of a payout I have my doubts whether it would be legal and have concerns about it

Jorgen has been banging his head against this forum for quite some time to make us look at this with open eyes.I guess it is just it ends up in an argument and people end up scattered
As Reacher asked,lets discuss, its time we faced reality with this as every update is just another delay and usually an ask for money in some disguised way


Hi again Scandoz,

I don't know how many Members remember this, but it was explained to us by Mike in those early days that the initial joining paperwork that we submitted, was not actually to obtain a Life Insurance Policy as such. A Life Insurance Policy is (and was) worth a lot more than US$20,000. We were signing over / forfeiting the actual Life Insurance Policy, in order to receive the US $20,000 payment "upfront", for want of a better way of putting it - well, it was supposed to have happened that way - we just have not received anything, at this point in time, so far into the future!! I possibly have this on one of the old E65 Update printouts from so many years ago - but doubt I could lay my hands on it in any great hurry! So, when Members purchased Unclaimed Policies, they were not actual Life Insurance Policies that were being bought - the ownership of these been signed over at the beginning, when we signed the E65 Insurance Application Request - which, having just had a hunt through my old paperwork - whilst in the midst of my typing and thinking - have found my copy of the documents I personally signed in June, 2001. It clearly states that the Benefit Amount was for $100,00 USD. We were forfeiting this total amount in order to receive $20,000 "upfront", instead. I do remember all of this quite clearly - but am not sure how well I have explained it - but have done the best that I can to do. There must be at least some other Members left (maybe) who can remember this - and may also still have the copies of the forms sent in - but not necessarily anyone on this Forum. On the form, there is a field which reads: "Beneficiary's Name: *Please Leave Blank

OK, my apologies for the long Post, but I am hoping this might jog a memory or two out there, and that this information may be helpful to some - or at the very least - food for thought.



This was what E65 was all about back in 1999. Register for a policy, pay the 5 usd fee and wait for 6 weeks, then the very rich american benefactor would pay you 20k for the 100k policy. The rich american benefactor would then sit with minimum 100.000 policies a 100.000 usd each, and these tripple A papers could be used as security for loans.

In 2004 and the benefactor change from a rich american to the former dictator Soharto in Indonesia, and based on that fat lie, I was out of E65, and since 2005 I have tried to warn all about the E65 scam.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogor wrote:
belle wrote:
scandoz wrote:
Hej Belle

yes its a good question and one we could only speculate on the answer
I guess there wouldnt be that many members left
Many as you say passed away,have forgotten about it and any number of reasons we could imagine
When you think about it,legally as Jorgen has stated many times,how could it even be done
Can you or I buy another persons life insurance policy.I have no idea but would be doubtful
How is Mike given legal rights to sell those to us
You know even if by some faint chance we did get some sort of a payout I have my doubts whether it would be legal and have concerns about it

Jorgen has been banging his head against this forum for quite some time to make us look at this with open eyes.I guess it is just it ends up in an argument and people end up scattered
As Reacher asked,lets discuss, its time we faced reality with this as every update is just another delay and usually an ask for money in some disguised way


Hi again Scandoz,

I don't know how many Members remember this, but it was explained to us by Mike in those early days that the initial joining paperwork that we submitted, was not actually to obtain a Life Insurance Policy as such. A Life Insurance Policy is (and was) worth a lot more than US$20,000. We were signing over / forfeiting the actual Life Insurance Policy, in order to receive the US $20,000 payment "upfront", for want of a better way of putting it - well, it was supposed to have happened that way - we just have not received anything, at this point in time, so far into the future!! I possibly have this on one of the old E65 Update printouts from so many years ago - but doubt I could lay my hands on it in any great hurry! So, when Members purchased Unclaimed Policies, they were not actual Life Insurance Policies that were being bought - the ownership of these been signed over at the beginning, when we signed the E65 Insurance Application Request - which, having just had a hunt through my old paperwork - whilst in the midst of my typing and thinking - have found my copy of the documents I personally signed in June, 2001. It clearly states that the Benefit Amount was for $100,00 USD. We were forfeiting this total amount in order to receive $20,000 "upfront", instead. I do remember all of this quite clearly - but am not sure how well I have explained it - but have done the best that I can to do. There must be at least some other Members left (maybe) who can remember this - and may also still have the copies of the forms sent in - but not necessarily anyone on this Forum. On the form, there is a field which reads: "Beneficiary's Name: *Please Leave Blank

OK, my apologies for the long Post, but I am hoping this might jog a memory or two out there, and that this information may be helpful to some - or at the very least - food for thought.



This was what E65 was all about back in 1999. Register for a policy, pay the 5 usd fee and wait for 6 weeks, then the very rich american benefactor would pay you 20k for the 100k policy. The rich american benefactor would then sit with minimum 100.000 policies a 100.000 usd each, and these tripple A papers could be used as security for loans.

In 2004 and the benefactor change from a rich american to the former dictator Soharto in Indonesia, and based on that fat lie, I was out of E65, and since 2005 I have tried to warn all about the E65 scam.


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Here you will find the "few" scams Mike masterminded earlier on.


Hi Jorgen, thanks for responding. Yes, that's what it was all about back then - thank you for verifying those aspects of the original program!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:08 am    Post subject: E65 Paperwork Reply with quote

[quote="belle"]
scandoz wrote:
Hej Belle
... - have found my copy of the documents I personally signed in June, 2001. ... There must be at least some other Members left (maybe) who can remember this - and may also still have the copies of the forms sent in ...


I have the original insurance document dated 6/5/2001, as well as copies of documents covering every activity pertaining to E65: E-gold, Liberty Reserve, credit card statements, postage costs, debit cards, PLA, Confidential Agreement, Individual Foundation, buying extra policies, you name it.

If it means anything, I submitted my ID email on 9/23/2017, and I have not received an email confirming whether it was received or not.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject: Program Reply with quote

[quote="scandoz"] It would be nice if there was a Legal Team we could talk to.


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